Hello. If you are reading this, chances are you’re expecting to read about some Internet drama from over two years ago. Well tough, you can’t. I don’t get involved with that kind of thing anymore.
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OK then, here it is. Five minutes of your life that you will never get back. You were warned…
Sigh. The skeptidrama doesn’t stop. I don’t feel happy writing about it, but something has gone down that I feel is serious enough that I just have to write about it. Please, if you’d rather not get involved (and I would have every sympathy if you didn’t) please stop reading now.
PZ Myers is someone I’ve always greatly admired. I’ve loved his fights against creationism and intelligent design, and I’ve admired his brazen no-nonsense approach to things like Eucharist desecration. I was very happy to meet him at TAM London 2010.
But now, a fellow skeptic has been incorrectly labelled as someone who uses vulgar gendered insults (specifically c**t) against Rebecca Watson, and PZ is largely to blame. Coffee Loving Skeptic (henceforth referred to as CLS) has given his version of events, complete with actual evidence of what was said and when. PZ Myers has responded with his version, lacking such evidence. Seeing as Rebecca Watson’s tweet was a reply to one of mine, I feel compelled to give my version of events.
I saw a tweet from CLS saying that PZ had blocked him. Seeing as Twitter is a public forum, I thought I’d ask PZ why he did that. Although he was under no obligation to do so (I don’t usually expect a response from celebs on Twitter), he replied saying that he didn’t believe that he had. With two people who I tend to trust saying conflicting things, I thought it might be a Twitter bug (certainly not unknown) and asked CLS to check again. He then provided conclusive evidence that PZ was blocking him. In the meantime, Rebecca Watson had replied to PZ saying that CLS was the guy who called her a c**t, and after he begged to be unblocked called her a c**t again. This is clearly untrue, and possibly a case of mistaken identity. CLS then wrote his blog post where he clearly showed that he DID NOT call Rebecca Watson a c**t. PZ then produced a few tweets mentioning “entitlement”, and went on a rather baffling blocking spree more reminiscent of the climate change denier James Delingpole.
So, why do I care? Why don’t I treat this as a piece of tit-for-tat that just isn’t worth my attention? I care because someone has pretty much been libelled as someone who calls women c**ts, firstly by Rebecca Watson to her 24,000-odd followers, and then by PZ Myers with his 100k followers, when he retweeted her. So combined, Rebecca Watson and PZ Myers have let it be known to about 125,000 Twitter accounts that CLS is someone who uses gendered insults against women, when this is clearly not the case.
It’s also very frustrating that all that’s required from Rebecca Watson (at least if she wants to be civil), is a quick acknowledgement of her error and an apology. Instead, PZ has repeatedly obfuscated the issue by trying to make out that it’s about “entitlement” and moaning about being blocked on Twitter. This is dishonest and evasive. I’ve amended the Twitter exchange to show the sort of thing that would make things so much better:
- PZ Myers: Don’t know that I did. He has a protected account, apparently. RT
@skepticCanary: why did you block @TPRyan007 ?
- Rebecca Watson:
@pzmyers That’s the guy I blocked for calling me a cunt. He emailed begging me to unblock, then called me a cunt again when I didn’t. Ha ha
- Rebecca Watson (if she was being civil): Sorry everyone, @TPRyan007 did not call me a cunt
Is that really too much to ask?
Tony Ryan - Coffee Loving Skeptic
Have I been outspoken against Rebecca Watson’s behaviour online, specifically following her blog “The Privilege Delusion” against Dawkins. Yes.
Is that because she’s female, no, but I also don’t pretend to know what it’s like to be a woman who someone asks ‘for coffee’. However, I also deal with women suffering abuse/threats/physical violence on a daily basis so I feel as though I have ‘some’ objective basis for thinking she is OTT.
That being said, disagreeing with a feminist such as her has made the target of abuse many times. I fully support, and actively encourage, the activism in women’s rights of people like Namazie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and more local charities here in the South West. I do not support most of the things Watson has said. This is not sexist, it’s just ‘Watson-ist’ (if you must apply a label).
In this situation, a lie was told, I responded with the truth, some people got upset, and arguments occurred.
PZ has misinterpreted the situation to be about him blocking me. It wasn’t. It was about what Watson specifically said. PZ thinks she retracted it. She clearly didn’t, and he either misunderstood that, or wilfully chooses to. He then went too far with his verbals against reasonable people. 99% of whom I don’t know, but thank for their support.
I think this sums it up. It’s nothing to do with ‘entitlement’, or ‘blocking’. It’s a simple case of, essentially, libel.
CLS is not simply the only party citing facts rather than opinions in this fracas, he’s the only one not behaving like a foaming-at-the-mouth rabid ape. It’s pretty disappointing.
He now has his retraction, he was the one calling he a feminazi – not a cunt, and RW tweeted to that fact.
She mixed up the haters is all.
Tony Ryan - Coffee Loving Skeptic
Sorry, but that’s a complete reinterpretation of what is really true.
She clearly remembers an email exchange this year, but lied about its content. When caught out, she then redirected attention by pointing out that in a blog a year ago I used the phrase “promoting feminaziism” (complete with acknowledgment of Godwin’s Law)
A lie on top of a lie sprinkled with sarcasm does not equal a retraction.
Can we let it end now?
I’m sorry but if you are British you are well aware that ‘cunt’ is not a gendered insult. Perhaps in American English but not in our muttersprache. Also it be behooves me to see grown-ups replace letters with asterisks. The Guardian and Indy don’t but the Daily Mail does, do you really want to be in that camp?
Oh, that guy - Atheist Boutique
[…] him for flinging around the slur “feminazi”, unironically — and they then insisted that I owed Tony Ryan an apology and an unblocking, which I don’t get; he’s an obnoxious twit, as further demonstrated by his recent […]